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by Gregg Shapiro
TO BE JEWISH AND QUEER
A new anthology addresses the intersection
of the two identities
Caryn
Aviv and David Shneer are the editors of the new
essay collection Queer Jews (Routledge,
$19.95). Picking up where the groundbreaking Twice
Blessed left off a dozen years ago, Aviv and
Shneer-who met at Sha'ar Zahav, a synagogue in
San Francisco-have compiled enlightening and thought-provoking
essays by queer Jewish writers from across North
America.
Gregg Shapiro: In your introduction to Queer
Jews, you mention a shortage of "major
books by and about lesbian and gay Jews" published
in the United States. However, there is no shortage
of queer Jewish writers. Why do you think queer
Jewish writers spend more time writing about being
queer than about being Jewish?
Caryn Aviv: That's a great question. I
think that what happens is that [with] queer Jewish
writers, Jewish identities come through in their
writing, but not necessarily explicit, and they
don't necessarily write about what it means to
be Jewish. Part of that is because so many queer
Jews have been so alienated by Judaism since they
came out and felt unwelcome in Jewish communities,
and it was difficult to maintain a connection
to those kinds of communities, traditions, and
practices that were so hostile to who they were
as human beings. A lot of writing comes out of
pain [laughs], whether it's the pain of
coming out in a hostile society as queer or coming
out as a queer Jew out of communities that might
or might not be Orthodox or secular but that don't
necessarily embrace that aspect of who they are
as queers. That's why there aren't a lot of volumes
that specifically look at the intersections of
those two identities.
David Shneer: I guess you could ask the
same question of why there were so many Jews involved
in the '60s leftist movements-not as Jews, per
se. I don't think there are easy answers for questions
like why, especially in the 20th century, Jews
have been over-represented in movements for change,
not necessarily as Jews. There's this great article
by Isaac Deutscher. He was a professor of philosophy
at Oxford, from Poland. He coined the term "the
non-Jewish Jew." His basic premise was that Jews
have always lived on the margins of other societies
and have therefore had a particular sensibility
toward seeing beyond the specific and looking
at, in his words, "the universal."
This also crosses over into other areas-for
instance, music. There are plenty of queer musicians
who sing openly about being Christians. At present,
I can only think of one lesbian singer, Minna
Bromberg, who has found a way to combine both
her queer and Jewish identities-although Phranc
did do a cover of "Tzena, Tzena, Tzena" on her
most recent disc.
CA: Right [laughs]. I think there
are a couple of lesbian feminist folk singers
from the '70s. I'm thinking of Alix Dobkin, for
one, who has incorporated her socialist, Yiddishist
past and secular Jewish culture into a lot of
her songwriting, which is very lesbian. I think
it's harder to do that today. Also, it's harder
to have Jewish audiences if you're going to sing
about queer stuff.
DS: I think that one of the things that
we saw when we were putting this book together
was that the reluctance to mark yourself as a
Jew in your activism is changing. One of the great
things about this collection of essays is that
these are people who are active in changing culture
and society broadly as Jews. That's something
new. For example, there's an essay by Jo Hirschmann
and Elizabeth Wilson, who are both Marxist-inspired
leftist activists. Their entire political program
is inspired by Judaism. Thirty years ago, you
would not have had socialists who were working
for Marxist-inspired universal change as involved
as they are in Jewish traditions.
I'm glad that you mentioned Hirschmann and
Wilson. There is a definite San Francisco slant
to the essays in the collection, which also includes
writing by Nagle and Kanegson. San Francisco has
long been a home to political radicals and activists.
Do you think it works in the books favor to have
such a strong focus on San Francisco, where the
liberal and leftist community is still thriving?
DS: I think you could see San Francisco-and
for the past 40 years, San Francisco has probably
seen itself as-where everyone else might be in
20 or 30 years. If that's the case, then in 20
or 30 years every major federation is going to
have a gay and lesbian outreach. Because of its
focus on San Francisco, and maybe New York, I
guess the book is slightly triumphalist, in the
sense that people lament the state of queer politics,
but part of what we're trying to say is that a
lot has changed. That could be from the vantage
point of San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles,
and Toronto. That could be a rose-colored view
of the world.
Avi Rose and Christie Balka's essay prompts
me to ask about the influence that their book,
Twice Blessed, had on you.
CA: It was huge! That was the book that
helped me come out 10 years ago. I only came out,
officially, like seven years ago. I was married.
I was working at Women & Children First, a
feminist bookstore in Chicago. I was surrounded
by dykes, and I knew that I was queer and trapped
in a bad heterosexual marriage. That [book] really
helped me, because I so identify as a Jew. Because
I grew up religious, I was really despondent that
there was no way for me to come out safely and
publicly and also maintain a connection to my
Jewish communities. I really struggled with that
for years. Twice Blessed was kind of a
light at the end of the tunnel, [in that] there
were people out there doing this and who were
committed to Judaism and active in Jewish communities
and openly gay. The other important book was Nice
Jewish Girls, edited
by Evelyn Torton Beck, which was specifically
about dykes. That gave me some hope that there
was a critical mass of Jewish dykes out there
[laughs] who were out and still Jewish.
Rose
and Balka's essay and Joan Nestle's essay appear
to have been written specifically for this book.
What were your criteria for soliciting work from
writers?
CA:
Specifically from them, we wanted Avi and Christie
to write a reflection about how the book has changed
the social landscape and what the reception was
and their experience of writing it and doing a
road show. Joan [Nestle] has been an intellectual
mentor for 15 years. As an undergrad, she was
my femme/dyke/diva role model.
DS:
The process that we used was that we sent out
queries electronically, because things travel
really fast over the Internet [laughs].
Sometimes we solicited writers. We knew we wanted
to have Avi and Christie in the book precisely
because we felt like we were the next step in
their work. Joan Nestle wrote back a critical
response to our very rough introduction to the
book. She's very much coming out of a tradition
of non-particularity, of the universalist message.
She thought we were being a little parochial.
It was very important to hear that, and we really
wanted to have her voice in the book. I kind of
like that her essay is critical of our introduction.
Ask two Jews something, and you get three opinions.
It adds to the tension of the book. Not everyone
agrees. Things aren't rosy for everybody, and
I think her voice is important in that sense.
Being
published, as it is, shortly after the release
of the film Trembling Before G-d,
and with an essay by Sandi Simcha Dubowski ["Trembling
On The Road: A Simcha Diary"], would you consider
Queer Jews to be a literary
companion to Trembling Before G-d?
CA:
Yes and no. Sandi is a friend of mine, and I'm
so deeply honored that he contributed to the volume.
I think that Trembling Before G-d is like
a watershed moment in Jewish history. It's an
amazing movie, and I think it speaks to overlapping
but different audiences. Trembling Before G-d
brings to the screen voices that have never been
heard before in public-voices that are so shunned,
marginalized, and stigmatized in Orthodox communities
because the homophobia is so virulent there. He
really hones in on the existential tension that
people feel of "Can I maintain my commitment to
Jewish law and to my Orthodox Jewish community
and still honor my own integrity as a queer person?"
That tension exists to a certain extent in other
Jewish communities, but not nearly as it does
for Orthodox Jews. Our book is, in a way, broader.
Contributors come from all the different movements
across the spectrum of Jewish communities in the
United States and Canada. I like that about our
book, because you hear a range of voices and it
also complicates the notion of what does it mean
to be Jewish.
DS:
I think the projects are very different, actually,
and I think Sandi would agree with me on this.
I think for Sandi, his film was still in what
you might call the wrestling stage. Queer
and Jewish, for the people in his film,
are clearly not reconciled. I think the story
that Sandi wanted to tell was there is this whole
closet within Judaism that we're not talking about-the
Orthodox, and especially the ultra-Orthodox, world.
In his film, he talked about it. If anything,
we're at the other end of the spectrum. These
people who are writing in this book are not necessarily
conflicted. But, by and large, the people in Queer
Jews see themselves as queer and as Jewish
and are activists as both. There isn't as much
wrestling in this book as there was in Twice
Blessed, and there isn't as much wrestling
in this book as there is in Trembling Before
G-d, and I don't think there is as much pain
as there is in Trembling. What makes it
such a powerful film is that, yes, we have Will
& Grace, and yes we have this book talking
about all these queers changing the face of Jewish
society. But there are still a lot of people in
pain about their sexual identity. Not everything
is as triumphant as Will & Grace might
want it to be [laughs].
Eve
Sicular, in her essay "Outing the Archives," puts
the parallels between Jewish and queer cultures
into perspective when she writes, "As members
of both an ethnic and a sexual minority, we are
attuned to 'get' both queer and Jewish cues; straight
Jews have the privilege of not paying attention
to, or not even realizing the existence of, the
lavender wavelength."
CA:
I think she's hysterical, and I think she's right
[laughs]. When you grow up feeling different,
as either a Jew or a queer, you learn to read
yourself into texts in a different way than people
who are part of a dominant group-in a way that
they don't have to. I think queer Jews think about
those things. "Am I going to be humiliated in
a synagogue? Will my partner be allowed to come
up to the stage where people read Torah and participate
in the service? Is my child going to be taunted
at school if their classmates find out that I'm
a lesbian?" I think that queer Jews have
created a whole sub-language of reading themselves
into things where they were previously ignored
or erased. I think Eve's essay speaks to that.
DS:
I'm not sure I would put it in the same way. Now
that the book has come out, many more queer people
are interested in talking about it than Jewish
people, thus far. For example, the interviews
that we've been doing have almost exclusively
been with queer publications and queer media-not
yet with Jewish publications and Jewish media.
We are doing a couple of Jewish book fairs in
the fall. They were interested in having us. There
has been more receptivity on the queer end thus
far. What Eve experienced on her tours when she
was talking about queer motifs in Yiddish films
is something similar. I think what she is saying
is that queer audiences were more receptive to
learning about the Jewish films than Jewish audiences
were to see the queer subtext. However, if my
mother is any example, there are plenty of straight
people interested in reading the book [laughs].
She is the head of the gift shop at her Conservative
synagogue, and they are going to stock the book.
In
her essay "Breaking Ground," Inbal Kashtan writes
about "Jews who grew up disconnected from traditional
Judaism because of our sexual orientation. . .
." Do you think that a change has taken place
in Jewish households in regards to making sure
that there is still a connection to traditional
Judaism, regardless of an adolescent or young
adult's sexual orientation?
DS:
Certainly. Inbal was writing about her experiences
back in the '70s. I think that what she was expressing
was that she was disconnected at a younger age
because of her sexual identity. As an adult, she
now felt like she had the tools to bring those
back together again. Things have changed since
then [Inbal's youth]. There are possibilities
to be raised in connection to tradition and to
being queer. Sandi's film says that there is still
a long way to go in regards to the Orthodox closet.
A lot of the contributors [to the anthology] have
fine relationships with their families, although
some don't. Both Caryn and I do. We're both relatively
connected to Jewish backgrounds. There is more
space now to be traditionally Jewish and queer.
I think because of queer Jews feeling empowered
now, families don't really have a choice. If you
want your kid at the table, they're going to bring
their partner. If my family doesn't come with
me, then I'm going to make my own family. It's
no longer my biological family or no family.
CA:
I think that the majority of Jews in America today
go to synagogue to be Jewish and don't do a lot
of ritual stuff in their homes to be Jewish. Community
centers and synagogues and organizations are public
places where people can be Jewish. I don't know
how friendly those places are for people who are
publicly out. It depends on region and which movement
you're talking about. Certainly, in Reform and
Reconstructionist Jewish movements there has been
a lot of progress made for queers to be out and
open and take leadership positions and not be
stigmatized if they come out at the age of 17.
That's not the case for Conservatism and Orthodoxy.
Pop
culture journalist Gregg Shapiro is also a published
fiction writer and poet.
QUEER
JEWS AT HOME
Mishpachat
Alizim, the gay-and-lesbian Jewish group, and
Congregation Beth Israel, will host two more sessions
of the Gay & Lesbian Jewish Study Group on
November 14 and December 19. Now in its second
year, the study group began this series in September.
Sessions take place at Beth Israel (5600 North
Braeswood) beginning at 7 p.m. New participants
are welcome for the final sessions, according
to Alan Hurwitz, one of the group organizers.
"We have had a range of topics, everything from
the Book of Job, Jewish guilt, human sexuality,
Jewish traditions and writings, and various holidays
to Jewish concepts of the afterlife," Hurwitz
said.
The
husband-and-wife team of Congregation Beth Israel
associate rabbi Brenner Glickman and Rabbi Elaine
Glickman facilitate the study group. More info:
713/771-6221, 713/523-3673, or ahur111@aol.com.
-TB
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